Ilona Andrews

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Title: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: CheeseBK on September 08, 2011, 03:48:44 am
As you probably saw,  wOrshiP Ilona posted a snippet on the blog.

I think it's great! Love to see things from Andrea's perspective
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: Libby13 on September 08, 2011, 05:43:49 am
Ooh I didn't see thanks for the heads up Cheese! *runs off to check blog*
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: milo on September 08, 2011, 08:54:32 am
 thankU  <32 the snippet
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: nanners on September 08, 2011, 02:27:35 pm
Thanks, CheeseBK!  I'm off to read snippet. thankU

*edited to add*
Love it!  Who's at the door?!!! One of two men are potentially there.   ;D
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: MinnChica on September 08, 2011, 04:22:21 pm
 <32 <32 I love Andrea!!
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: Ying on September 08, 2011, 05:18:30 pm
I just can't wait to read it! I love Andrea's voice. I miss Raphael. Roman is also funny. Great to read other characters observing Kate's world plus it's like having a spy on Kate/Curran relationship. :P
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: LadySoria25 on September 08, 2011, 08:27:51 pm
I am not ashamed a bit a squeed a bit when I saw it.
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: skyestorm8 on September 09, 2011, 05:46:08 am
I was so happy to read it as well!!!  ;D I miss the Kate Daniel characters ...
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: KitKat on September 10, 2011, 10:15:06 pm
Loved the snippet! Ascanio is going to be lots of fun! I can't wait to see how Raphael is going to deal with him... Do you think the snippet refers to the first time Andrea e Raphael meet each other after the break up? She didn't seem that nervous to me...
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: Mashiara on September 22, 2011, 01:07:16 am
Anyone else think the bimbo is just a rouse?  Raphael got a friend to help or paid an actress.  The way Raphael's eyes got big at the mention of 'engagement' maybe because she was winging it?  Or am I just hoping this is the case so I don't have to lose respect for him? 

And finally, I've been waiting for Andrea to get over her issues.  Happy to see she embraces her beast early on in the book.  It would have driven me up a wall to read chapter after chapter of her still trying to hide her true nature.  And it's easy for her to say 'I would have gone it he was in trouble' but still.  I think Raphael has a point.  She chose the Order.

I can't wait for this book!
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: Libby13 on September 22, 2011, 04:10:53 am
I think he's stringing her along and bimbo thinks she could end up engaged to him? Absolutely loved the snippet and desperate to get my hands on the book <32
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: lacrima on September 22, 2011, 04:22:49 am
Yeah, Andrea screwed up, but I don't think that Raphael would have reacted much better if the roles would have been reversed. I somehow don't think he would have given up the Pack for her, his family and his business.

I liked to see Andrea getting to terms with her 'other me'. Ah, loved the snippet  <32
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: MinnChica on September 22, 2011, 04:35:05 am
LOVED the snippet... LOVED! I think Raphael is just trying to get over her, and the bimbo is just another girl in his parade of women... I LOLed when Asciano dumped the sugar on her head!!! *snort*
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: Cathica on September 22, 2011, 06:43:02 am
Loved the snippet! And I have to admit I got tear-eyed. Poor Andrea!

Anyone else think the bimbo is just a rouse?  Raphael got a friend to help or paid an actress.  The way Raphael's eyes got big at the mention of 'engagement' maybe because she was winging it? 

That's exactly what I thought.
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: Yala on September 22, 2011, 08:16:12 am
I loved how Ascanio dumped the sugar on her eviL
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: Kitara on September 22, 2011, 09:23:24 am
I have to admit, Raphael has used up all my sympathy for him. Andrea's entire world fell apart around her ears despite her best attempts to fix it. Of course she holed up in her house! Anyone would. But after she begins putting the pieces back together, she tells him that she made some mistakes and would like to apologize. How does he react? Like a spoiled child. Bringing a bimbo-and I don't believe for a second that the engagement is real, though I think the relationship is because otherwise why would Aunt B be involved-to the office with the intent of hurting Andrea. Not mature. Very cruel.  killPC

Depending on what we see of Roman in this book, I might just be jumping ships.

 <32 <32 <32 the snippet though. This book should be awesome. Ascanio and the sugar was perfect, 'cause obviously Raphael is beyond being mature and responsible at the moment.
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: Argantel on September 22, 2011, 09:38:37 am
Ascanio and the sugar -very calculated move. He could have poured the coffee instead.

What else is there to say except it was a damn good snippet?
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: Libby13 on September 22, 2011, 10:04:02 am
I loved Ascanio and the sugar bit RoFl

I still think the woman with him believes she's a current girlfriend however it's calculated on his part that he brought her with him. I'm not sure she sounded like she had the brain cells to pull off anything like that!
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: mrsj on September 22, 2011, 11:02:35 am
Love it!

and like Cathica, got a bit teary for Andrea too.
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: kikucat on September 22, 2011, 02:50:19 pm
I'm hoping "Raph" is actually dumb enough to bring the bimbo back on Andrea's turf...just so I can watch her beat his @ss :D   I can't believe Raphael was so cruel to Andrea...she was making an effort to apologize & he threw it back in her face. With interest >:(
He sounded kind of scared after Andrea let out her "other me" eviL
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: KitKat on September 22, 2011, 04:22:45 pm
I totally agree with Kitara. Raphael was such a jerk... He can't even say that he acted without thinking 'cause he had enough time between Andrea's call and their meeting to decide what to do. How old is he? 10? I wish Andrea had kicked his ass and delivered the remains to Aunt B... We can't forget that Andrea had a terrible childhood, being systematically abused from other boudas... It traumatized her, creating an unconscious association between evil/hurtful things and boudas. And everybody knows that it's not ease to overcome such things... The Order was her only oppotunity to prove her value (as a human), since as a bouda she was taught that she had none. If Raphael doesn't have the heart to, at least, try to understand her, support her and help her overcome her trauma he is not the right man for her. I understand he being mad, but cruelty has no excuses... For me, it doesn't matter if the bimbo was just a rouse or not, it's cruel either way. Raphael is just a spoiled jerk who never had to fight for anything in his life and doesn't know what it is to be trully hurt. If he is to be Andrea's mate, I just hope Ilona makes him grow and suffer (A LOT!) to get her back. In the moment, I'm number 1 fan of Roman! Go Roman, go! 
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: KitKat on September 22, 2011, 06:15:11 pm
And just one more thing: in Magic Strikes, Raphael tells Kate that he will help her in the Midnight Games because she helped Andrea during the flare and nobody else would have done the same, not even the other clans. So, if it depended on any other shapeshifter she would be dead. And then he gets pissed because Andrea didn't risk her own life or getting loup (as happened to Brenna and Jennifer's sister) to help the clan wolf, who doesn't exactly love the boudas. I'm not saying that the wolves should have been left to their death or that Andrea shoudn't have tried to help, I'm just pointing out how contraditory Raphael can be, twisting his arguments according to his interests. It just proves how imature and self-centred he is. Man, this snippet just made me so angry with Raphael... Thank God we have Ascanio!
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: kstrick on September 22, 2011, 08:16:33 pm
I loved that Andrea totally called Raphael on bringing the bimbo. She didn't try to act like it didn't bother her or surprise her. I also noticed that Ascanio could've easily poured the coffee over the bimbo's head instead of the sugar. I was a little surprised that Andrea sent him outside after Raphael sent the bimbo outside though. I would think she would want to keep the boy away from her to prevent further trouble.

I'm also concerned about Andrea going out in public in her beast form. I love that she changed and has finally become more accepting of her other self (though it felt a lot like a 'just f* it already' acceptance instead of a genuine soul searching), but I'm having difficulty picturing her questioning people and investigating the murders in her beast form.

Also, does anyone have any artwork or images that they think look like Andrea in her beast form? I have a picture in my head but it's not fully fleshed out and I would like to be able to imagine it fully.
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: skyestorm8 on September 22, 2011, 09:40:32 pm
I LOVED LOVED LOVED the snippet! Hating Raphael at the moment and I'm hoping to see Roman get back in the picture just to show him! Huh!  I liked it too that Andrea is coming to terms with her beastkin side (kinda wondering what Kate and Curran will be thinking about all this) but am also worried/curious about her going out in public in that form.

Can't wait for the book!  Am sure it will be awesome!!
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: Nurslings on September 22, 2011, 10:07:30 pm
that was an awesome snippet. Totally burned my ass though. Dammit Raphael you made me mad at you!!  killPC killPC killPC

I want more, more more, more.

And oh you bet your ass Andrea will be parading around her pirate  eviL

I hope though, that Raphael didn't sleep with the human. I really do. I think I would be very angry.  >:( Use her to make andrea mad? sure. she deserved a little punishment. but not go that far. to hurt and wound her. Makes me so mad.
Dammit.

I'm still mad two days later  RoFl
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: kikucat on September 22, 2011, 10:33:52 pm
I have re-read that snippet many times since it was posted... Gahhh, May seems so far away :(
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: Argantel on September 23, 2011, 04:16:15 am
@kstrick: Andrea told Ascanio off in no uncertain terms and sent him outside to protect him. Raphael was certainly ready for more than sharp words at this point.

Raphael does come across as a tad bit immature. Ok, rather immature. But then, are any of the other male boudas portrayed differently?

Andrea's standing up to Raphael's insult was very satisfying to read. I think and hope she's through with hiding. Doesn't mean she's not going to hide her tears, or turn them into mad anger.

This Roman guy is fast becoming an interesting person. Must go back and read his "screen time"....
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: stephey on September 23, 2011, 02:38:14 pm
I feel like Raphael blew his chances of reconciliation with that little stunt.  I get why he was mad at her, and he had every right to be, but at the same time, obviously she was going through something traumatic emotionally.  He also wasn't there for her in her time of need.  If he truly cared for her, he would have put his pride aside just to make sure she was OK after Erra and while she was holed up in her apartment.  It didn't have to be about their romantic relationship, but rather the genuinune concern you have for someone whom you care about and you know is hurting.  She was offering to apologize and take responsibility for her actions and he threw it back in her face.  Bringing that women into the office on display like that, was low. As Andrea stated, "cruel" The whole purpose was to cause her as much pain as possible.  That doesn't sound like love to me, and I don't know what he could do to prove otherwise after that.
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: Argantel on September 23, 2011, 03:20:04 pm
Bringing that women into the office on display like that, was low. As Andrea stated, "cruel" The whole purpose was to cause her as much pain as possible. That doesn't sound like love to me, and I don't know what he could do to prove otherwise after that.

I totally agree with that. We'll just have to see what Ilona and Gordon come up with. It is definitely going to be very interesting, whatever decision they take for the direction of the story.
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: stephey on September 23, 2011, 04:53:45 pm
I also think that it didn't go at all how Raphael had planned it in his mind. (though I'm not sure what he was hoping would happen) and he realizes he screwed it up a little bit.  I'm not sure he's mature enough to admit that to himself, though.  We will see.  I just hope Andrea doesn't let that little stunt slide too easily.
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: nanners on September 23, 2011, 11:50:29 pm
Wow!  What an INTENSE snippet!  Want. Book. Now!  Thank you Ilona and Gordon! thankU  wOrshiP

With Raphael, I saw a man with way too much pride.  Andrea can show him the finger by moving on with her life.  I know I don't want her to play any games to get back at him.  If she wants to date again, especially someone who look like a pirate, I say go for it.  Raphael made his bed and now he needs to lie in it.  You know he still loves her or why else would he try to hurt her so much but he needs to grow up. 

Be strong, Andrea.  weightS  Lick your wounds.  Kick some ass! I am woman, hear me ROAR! 

I love how messy and complicated this break-up is.  I'm not ruling out Raphael.  He needs to do a lot of groveling to make up for that cruel jab. 

Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: wont on September 24, 2011, 01:20:38 pm
I think Raphael brought barbie in to push Andrea. I think he still wants her and couldn't understand why she had not made a move before now. Under the circumstances, I think Andrea held together very well, though I find it hard to believe Raphael couldn't sense/smell her pain.

 I understand why Andrea said in Bleeds what she did about staying with the Order. She had nothing and they were there for her. Raphael has lived a life completely surrounded by love, security and anything he wanted. No worries at all. Pretty much still that way. He's never had to make a difficult decision, his mama took care of everything. He couldn't relate.

For him to not only parade barbie in front of Andrea, but also criticize her behavior as he did, burned my toast. I think they still love each other and I hope they get back together, but, he owes Andrea some serious groveling first. I too hope he hasn't slept with barbie, but I'm not optimistic. Roman is also a spoiled brat and no where near good enough for Andrea. Maybe Curran will get his claws into him. It would be good payback for fighting with Kate.

I like Ascanio too. The sugar pouring was great. I hope he sticks around, but, I'm am hoping that Derek wins Julie. Sigh, another opportunity for pain. (for us!)

I am a re-reader of the first order, but I could not re-read this snippet. Not yet. Hurts too much. :'(



Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: KitKat on September 24, 2011, 10:21:55 pm
I also can't re-read the snippet... and when the book is published, I'm going to jump that part...
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: nanners on September 24, 2011, 11:19:41 pm
@KitKat...You can't skip that part!  There are some tells in there, like,  Rafael's reaction to the "engagement," the Aunt B mention, inhaling her scent, his lip trembling...  Hell hath no fury like a peacock scorned.  *cues women's break-up anthem "I Will Survive"*  I can't wait to read the reactions of those that see Andrea's beastskin form.  It's probably a very rare sight to see a beastskin.  What will Mahon do?  Will Aunt B interfere?  How will Kate react when she hears what Raphael did?  You know Ascancio going to talk about it.  The poor kid's probably going to become fixated on Andrea's breasts now.  LOL  Okay, I'm obsessing now.   :D
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: wont on September 25, 2011, 08:02:45 am
Nanners: All very good points. With the rest of the book as support, I may be able to read this snippet in context. But, when my emotional stability is in question, I skip around to find certain answers. aka as reading the ending first. ;D Spoilers don't exist for me. Knowing the outcome of a story doesn't ruin it, it props me up to be able to finish. LIONbook
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: KitKat on September 25, 2011, 08:14:32 pm
Sorry, nanners, I get what you're saying, but once was enough for me...
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: Kirsten on September 25, 2011, 09:53:49 pm
I loved the snippet and it left me wanting more!  I thought it was funny when Andrea basically told Raphael that if he brought that woman back to her turf, she would beat his ass and there was nothing mommy could do about it.  I'm slightly miffed at Raphael because Andrea was trying to make amends and he was being a bit of a jerk.  I look forward to what Roman will bring to the table.  Oh yeah, she should *totally* parade him around Raphael.  There are so many things I want to know about now!   :D
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: kstrick on September 26, 2011, 08:54:51 pm
@ Argantel-

I understood why Andrea sent Ascanio outside away from Raphael. I was confused as to why she sent him outside where the bimbo was waiting in the car. I assumed they would be outside together with the possibility of more conflict. I re-read it though and it said Ascanio went out the back door, so I assume they are on opposites sides of the building.
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: Argantel on September 27, 2011, 02:21:53 am
@ kstrick - Ah, now I understand you. I have not reread it but the back door makes sense. For some reason I was simply convinced that he would be safer outside. But guessing from the way he's portraied so far, it was probably too much to assume this behaviour: that he would not attack the bimbo (in whatever form) on the heels of Andrea's setdown.
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: Yala on September 27, 2011, 04:37:42 am
Snippet on the fb page :D
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: LadySoria25 on September 27, 2011, 08:53:53 am
The snippet with Raph made me want to beat the stupid out of him. I am trying to see it from his way. He's hurt, I get that. I also believe he got a lot of snide remarks from his clan, and possibly other clans, for being with ' the traitor'. I feel Raph's biggest problem is he can not relate to Andrea's situation in the slightest. He does not understand that Andrea  may not understand the Pack togetherness,  and why would a bouda ( I hope that's spelled right) like Raph would care if she went to the rescue of wolves, a clan boudas do not get along with. He does not also understand that Andrea relied on the Order as a source of comfort and structure as much Raph does on the Pack, and that when  Andrea locked herself in her apartment she was dealing with something that would have been like being exiled from the Pack for a stupid reason for him.   


As for them getting back together... I don't know... I kind of want to see how Raph would react to Andrea doing the same to Raph with the ' look, I got a better model' but someone better suited for her, unlike Raph, who seems to gone after the first pretty thing he could find.

As for bringing them back together, just so long as its not something like Raph almost dying for her or vice versa. Its a good show of concern, but over played.
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: Kitara on September 27, 2011, 10:40:13 am
Snippet on the fb page :D

The snippet's the prologue for Fate's Edge, right? Or did I miss one?
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: Argantel on September 27, 2011, 02:10:32 pm
Snippet on the fb page :D

The snippet's the prologue for Fate's Edge, right? Or did I miss one?
If it's the same as the one on the blog, it's in Kate Daniel setting. Or Andrea book. Both Ascanio and Roman are in it.
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: Yala on September 27, 2011, 02:29:41 pm
That's the one I meant at least.
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: Kitara on September 27, 2011, 06:32:46 pm
Read it on the blog.  hUg2 Roman's family life is really funny.  :D
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: Kirsten on September 27, 2011, 08:06:16 pm
Yay!  Snippety bliss!  The character of Roman has really grown on me.  His family dynamic is hilarious.  Love it.  I do feel a bit sad about the falling out between Andrea and Raphael, but would not mind seeing some more flirty action between Andrea and Roman, especially after Rapael's antics.  :D
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: sniggle on September 28, 2011, 12:22:13 am
AAAHH OMG!  Ilona spent 20 minutes on a description of Raph in a tux..... does this mean he will actually go through with getting married to the doofy bubble headed bleach blonde bimbo? I was kinda figuring he was just pulling a stunt to piss off Andrea. Would hate to think he was really THAT stupid  :(
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: skyestorm8 on September 28, 2011, 02:47:51 am
Where was that description of Raphael in a tux?? 
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: CheeseBK on September 28, 2011, 03:30:02 am
Where was that description of Raphael in a tux?? 

we didn't get to read the description. ilona just mentions it in her latest blog post. she says that she spent 20 minutes on describing raph in a tux. but we still don't know how long the description turned out to be and what the occasion is ;)
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: wont on September 28, 2011, 08:22:19 am
Yikes Bea!!!! I was so caught up in the idea of Ilona spending that much time working out the description it didn't dawn on me to think about why he was wearing a tux! Oh No!!! I will hope it is a positive reason. That would disallow something/anything with the barbie doll. No, no, no......vamPirE
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: Argantel on September 28, 2011, 10:03:20 am
You know, if Raphael got himself married to his blondie, the long-time pain of being married to her would so serve him right.  eviL
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: wont on September 28, 2011, 10:09:30 am
You know, if Raphael got himself married to his blondie, the long-time pain of being married to her would so serve him right.  eviL

I agree 100%. He would deserve the hell-on-earth I think that would be. Of course, the flip side, it would be devastating for Andrea (and us). :'(
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: Ilona on September 28, 2011, 11:06:51 am
:facepalm:

They are going to a party.  Simmer down now.
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: wont on September 28, 2011, 11:31:41 am
 hUg2 Thank You Ilona. Compassionate crumbs are appreciated. ;D
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: Argantel on September 28, 2011, 01:52:43 pm
 RoFl Just when we were warming up... ok no more speculating from me.
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: skyestorm8 on September 28, 2011, 09:29:34 pm
Thank you Ilona!  Am pissed of at Raphael at the moment but my heart was kinda breaking there.
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: KitKat on September 28, 2011, 11:13:30 pm
I hope Andrea is going to this party with Roman! It would be awesome to see Raphael's face when he realizes that she found her hidalgo pirate!  eviL
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: sniggle on September 29, 2011, 12:54:45 am
Yeah and maybe Andrea will "accidently" prick the bubble headed bleach blonde's boobs with a pin and deflate her  eviL
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: nanners on September 29, 2011, 03:02:13 am
Hmmm....going to a party, eh?  Together?  With other dates?  That's fast if they're together, unless it's work related.  Hmmm  *speculates, spins wheels, know whatever ideas pop up will most likely be way off* :P

Must get life.  Have kids.  Must read to them too.   :#)
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: wont on September 29, 2011, 08:10:12 am
Hmmm....going to a party, eh?  Together?  With other dates?  That's fast if they're together, unless it's work related.  Hmmm  *speculates, spins wheels, know whatever ideas pop up will most likely be way off* :P

Must get life.  Have kids.  Must read to them too.   :#)

nanners: It all depends on when in the story this takes place. If it's close to the end, we can hope (at least I do) they have reconciled. Even though I very much want them together, I do think it would be good for Raphael to taste some of that look-who-I'm-with medicine to know just how wrong his actions were.  weightS
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: nanners on September 29, 2011, 04:56:21 pm
Hmmm....going to a party, eh?  Together?  With other dates?  That's fast if they're together, unless it's work related.  Hmmm  *speculates, spins wheels, know whatever ideas pop up will most likely be way off* :P

Must get life.  Have kids.  Must read to them too.   :#)

nanners: It all depends on when in the story this takes place. If it's close to the end, we can hope (at least I do) they have reconciled. Even though I very much want them together, I do think it would be good for Raphael to taste some of that look-who-I'm-with medicine to know just how wrong his actions were.  weightS

Too bad it's not a costume party.  I can see Roman as a pirate.  That would really burn Raphael.  Although, like I said earlie,r I hope Andrea does't play the jealousy game.  I do want Raphael to feel a heaping amount of the green-eyed monster, especially after prancing the Barbie around and saying he was slumming while with Andrea.  Then, jabbing a knife straight into Andrea's heart and giving it a cruel twist.  THAT deserves a karmic rebound!   eviL
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: sniggle on September 30, 2011, 12:25:11 am
I hope he gets fleas!   >:(
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: geraxe on September 30, 2011, 01:14:14 am
I hope he gets fleas!   >:(
RoFl
Anthelmintic therapy while we're at it? ;)
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: forever55 on October 01, 2011, 12:07:54 pm
I like other posters have a slight problem if "Raph" slept with Barbie and Andrea goes back to him.  I'm also a little confused because I thought when two shape-shifters "mated" it was like a marriage (shared home, kids, etc.) so I was a little surprised that Andrea & Raphael's mating dissolved that easily.  I've kinda of been struggling with it since Kate 5 since Kate told Roman about Andrea's ex-boyfriend.  It just lends a different weight to Andrea and Raphael's previous relationship.  And honestly, I know Raphael went through a lot to woo Andrea, but that didn't mean his contribution to the relationship needed to stop once they committed to each other.  I would think mates come first, then Pack.  Just my take  :)

BTW, totally on board with Roman if Raphael did sleep around...who knows where Barbie has been!!?!?!  eviL
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: wont on October 01, 2011, 12:17:02 pm
Though Andrea and Raphael were obviously a couple, I don't think they were officially mated yet. I think they went through overtures and were moving in that direction. I'm pretty sure it wasn't declared they were mated. I think if they had been they would have been living together.
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: sniggle on October 01, 2011, 04:45:24 pm
AAHHHHHHH!!! OMG!!! I'm soooooo wanting the rest of the book! Am practically drooling and going through withdrawls!
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: kstrick on October 01, 2011, 11:17:26 pm
I'm a little fuzzy on the whole mating thing when it comes to Pack members and non-Pack members. I realize Andrea is a shapeshifter but it's clear she is not part of the Pack, so can she be Raphael's Mate? I understand Kate is Curran's Mate, but they call her Consort, and that's where I get confused. There are no other human/shapeshifter couples to reference so I don't know how it works. Do you call a human lover a Mate or are they just a girlfriend/boyfriend?
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: nanners on October 01, 2011, 11:56:39 pm
No.  They are not "mated."  They were barely beginning the process.  i.e. Rafael sneaking into her house;  Andrea acting possessive at a hot tub.  That's all.  She still needs to join a pack now that she is "out of the closet."
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: Jenn on October 04, 2011, 03:41:36 pm
I hope he gets fleas!   >:(


 RoFl
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: wont on October 04, 2011, 06:00:20 pm
I hope he gets fleas!   >:(


 RoFl


This cracked me up as well. So appropriate!! ;D
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: MinnChica on October 05, 2011, 01:01:25 pm
teeheehee "I'm good at faking things..." *snicker*
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: Kitara on October 05, 2011, 02:44:40 pm
teeheehee "I'm good at faking things..." *snicker*

Second that snicker. He so deserved that.
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: Argantel on October 05, 2011, 04:25:31 pm
teeheehee "I'm good at faking things..." *snicker*

Second that snicker. He so deserved that.

 RoFl
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: wont on October 12, 2011, 09:10:27 pm
ALERT!!! A crumb from Ilona!

She posted this on Twitter tonight!!

  "On Evil writers, being evil: the much asked about character is back."

She verified to me this is in Andrea's book. Soooo......who is it? Who has been gone except for Hugh? My brain is short-circuiting. It seems odd for Hugh to make a return via Andrea's book, but, evil authors have been known to weave wicked webs! eviL
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: Kitara on October 12, 2011, 11:06:23 pm
Maybe Naeemah?
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: skyestorm8 on October 12, 2011, 11:17:14 pm
What about Nick?
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: wont on October 13, 2011, 12:02:08 am
Oh good one! Of course the last time we saw Nick he was with Hugh! I would love to learn more about Nick and his connection with Greg. There is something about Nick that reminds me of Kate. He's such a loner. Kind of sad.  hUg1
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: skyestorm8 on October 18, 2011, 12:24:25 am
Yeah me too.. am really curious about Nick! But I guess that's exactly what Ilona wants me to be LOL
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: Yala on October 18, 2011, 11:45:03 am
Was Naeemah from Egypt? I just saw a twitter post where Ilona asked about an ancient Egypt name for hyena...
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: wont on October 18, 2011, 11:58:31 am
I don't recall her heritage being specified. At least not as to country. Does anyone recognize the nationality of that name? bOOk
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: KitKat on October 18, 2011, 03:50:57 pm
According to these sites: www.babynology.com, www.babynamespedia.com and www.mybaby.net.au, Naeemah is an egyptian name and it means kind and benevolent. It seems that someone is on the right track...  ;D
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: skyestorm8 on October 18, 2011, 11:56:26 pm
Yeah.. looks like someone is on the right track  ;D
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: Ying on October 19, 2011, 10:26:19 am
I'm pretty sure she is from Egypt. Can't remember where I read it from tho.
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: Libby13 on November 28, 2011, 07:30:37 am
Andrea's story is Gunmetal Magic right or have I got confused? Either way I just preordered it on amazon :)
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: Yala on November 28, 2011, 08:39:17 am
Yep, that's it. I can't preorder it on amazon.de yet :(
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: Libby13 on November 28, 2011, 10:32:52 am
I didn't realise it was on amazon.co.uk yet I preordered Lisa Shearin's latest and it 'suggested' I might like to order that as well. Didn't need to ask me twice!! :P
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: jojane on November 28, 2011, 08:23:56 pm
Thank you, I've just placed my pre-order as well.
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: nanners on December 04, 2011, 01:38:32 am
Gunmetal Magic is listed as book 5.5.  Usually, a .5 indicates a novella.  Isn't Andrea's book a full length story?  thanks
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: Yala on December 04, 2011, 04:42:04 am
nanners, I think it's because they're contracted for 7 Kate Daniels books, and Andrea's book isn't one of them, but more of a spin-off. Timeline-wise it has to come before Kate #6, though. It's definitely a novel, no worries ;D
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: nanners on December 04, 2011, 12:13:21 pm
nanners, I think it's because they're contracted for 7 Kate Daniels books, and Andrea's book isn't one of them, but more of a spin-off. Timeline-wise it has to come before Kate #6, though. It's definitely a novel, no worries ;D

 thankU 
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: 4manda9 on January 17, 2012, 05:26:09 am
 jumP  first ever post!!

I'm really looking forward to Gunmetal Magic. Audio version as always but may get it for the kindle as well.
I love Andrea and Raphael and hope they sort out their differences!
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: CheeseBK on January 18, 2012, 04:05:10 am
jumP  first ever post!!

I'm really looking forward to Gunmetal Magic. Audio version as always but may get it for the kindle as well.
I love Andrea and Raphael and hope they sort out their differences!

welcome 4manda9! thank you for joining our insane little community ;)
If you want to introduce yourself, there is an introduction thread in the general chat section of the forum.

Have fun here!
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: Argantel on January 18, 2012, 03:16:22 pm
I'm really looking forward to Andrea's book. Somehow I am expecting glorious, Raphael-ass-busting retaliation from Andrea for that bimbo scene alone. Yes, I am very much expecting that. noDDing
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: Chelle on January 18, 2012, 09:36:50 pm
I'm really looking forward to Andrea's book. Somehow I am expecting glorious, Raphael-ass-busting retaliation from Andrea for that bimbo scene alone. Yes, I am very much expecting that. noDDing
I second this... and somehow also wonder if we'll get an Aunt Bea telling Raph "Well, you asked for it" lecture.
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: BillG on January 19, 2012, 05:18:17 am
I'm really looking forward to Andrea's book. Somehow I am expecting glorious, Raphael-ass-busting retaliation from Andrea for that bimbo scene alone. Yes, I am very much expecting that. noDDing
I second this... and somehow also wonder if we'll get an Aunt Bea telling Raph "Well, you asked for it" lecture.
And I'll concur with the motion. Should be quite a scenario. I'm also eagerly awaiting how Andrea and Aunt Bea come to terms. Aunt Bea has to maintain respect as Head of Clan  killPC and Andrea has too many issues (besides Raphael) to meekly submit. weightS
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: Argantel on January 19, 2012, 08:03:05 am
Somehow, if Aunt B was in Andrea's shoes, I don't think she would have been ... placid ... about the bimbo either.

Don't shifters all have issues?

Now I'm wondering why the clans are as they are. Clan Wolf, Bouda etc. and then the "collective" clans for the small, big and feline. Which ones did I forget? It's probably just the way it turned out to be in the first book, but still. What happened if one of the feline shifter kinds suddenly decided they wanted their own clan?
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: CheeseBK on January 21, 2012, 02:13:46 pm
Somehow, if Aunt B was in Andrea's shoes, I don't think she would have been ... placid ... about the bimbo either.

Don't shifters all have issues?

Now I'm wondering why the clans are as they are. Clan Wolf, Bouda etc. and then the "collective" clans for the small, big and feline. Which ones did I forget? It's probably just the way it turned out to be in the first book, but still. What happened if one of the feline shifter kinds suddenly decided they wanted their own clan?

Clan Heavy
Clan Nimble
Clan Cat
Clan Jackal
Clan Wolf
Clan Bouda
Clan Rat

You know, I think that keeping all cats in clan cat is some serious work. I mean, look at domestic cats. They sure as hell have their own heads, don't they? I mean, they are darned stubborn and arrogant. I think that the alpha of clan cat has a lot on his hands....
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: Argantel on January 21, 2012, 04:25:55 pm
Cheese, yeah it probably is a lot of work. Or maybe the best is just leave them be, and they won't protest too hard at being in the same clan.

Now I am wondering why there are no winged shifters, there are enough winged predators. Hm, I must have missed the explanation in one of the books.

Hm, feel free to shift this into a more appropriate thread if you want to.
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: lacrima on January 21, 2012, 06:24:38 pm
Cheese, yeah it probably is a lot of work. Or maybe the best is just leave them be, and they won't protest too hard at being in the same clan.

Now I am wondering why there are no winged shifters, there are enough winged predators. Hm, I must have missed the explanation in one of the books.

Hm, feel free to shift this into a more appropriate thread if you want to.
I vaguely remember Ilona said somewhere on the forum it has something to do with the lyc-v sticking to mammals, with Nameeha (sp?) being a big exception.
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: CheeseBK on January 22, 2012, 10:25:45 am
I remember something like that, too, lacrima. ilona mentioned that the shifters usually are mammals.
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: RRR98 on January 22, 2012, 03:45:49 pm
 wolfTONGUElove the snippet but i think it would be better if we could read all of it wolfTONGUE <32 jumP
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: Kitara on January 22, 2012, 04:25:10 pm
I want to know who was on the other end of the phone: Raphael or Roman?
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: Yala on January 23, 2012, 03:06:46 am
Can't have been Roman, he isn't a shifter. I'm guessing Raphael eviL
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: Argantel on January 23, 2012, 03:52:22 am
Can't have been Roman, he isn't a shifter. I'm guessing Raphael eviL
Same here.  ;D
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: nanners on January 23, 2012, 12:10:14 pm
Can't have been Roman, he isn't a shifter. I'm guessing Raphael eviL
Same here.  ;D

At first, I thought it could be Ascancio, but the wording leads me to believe it's Raphael.   :)
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: Chelle on January 23, 2012, 07:51:16 pm
I have a theory regarding Bea and Andrea.

Am I allowed to have a theory?

It may not be my theory but one others have considered - so groupthink theory?

Anyway - my theory is this:  Bea is the leader of a group of sexual deviants, but she's mentioned that she plans to one day step down as leader of the Boudas.  Boudas, being Hyenas, are lead by dominant females.  Could it be that she's been waiting for retirement for one female to come forward who would have enough sense and discipline to ride herd on the rest of the clan?  If so, it would explain why she's pushy with Andrea.  We haven't seen much of the rest of the clan, but what we have seen doesn't give me much hope that there are many female Boudas who could be trusted to reign in that crew - outside of Jez who is damaged socially by being 'walking dead'.

Just a thought.

I should probably avoid thinking during migraines.  Wierd stuff comes out.

Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: kitkat9000 on January 26, 2012, 05:09:46 am
Loved the snippet and as always want more. Problem is, the books/stories are so good it's hard not to be greedy. August (& Feb 2013) can't come fast enough.

Having read the books and some (far too many for all) of the online discussions, I seem to be coming at this from another direction. I want Aunt B to get her comeuppance. Truly. She so deserves it. I know about the 3 day rule, but B just had to push it. I agree that she may be thinking of Andrea to replace her as Alpha. But I'm also thinking of the comment Curran made about putting B "in her place" because she needed to be taught a lesson. (Don't remember the title offhand, don't have books here, but it was after he found out Kate had been given Barabas & Jezebel.)

How about this: Kate & Curran announce in front of the pack that Andrea will be granted special friend of the pack status because she is Kate's friend & employee, but mostly because Aunt B's insistence on seeing Andrea right then ending up endangering Julie. (Andrea definitely could have taken the Render out before the kids got hurt.) Thus B is publicly smacked down while also avoiding the beastkin issue. Oh, and they would add that if Andrea should choose to later become a full-fledged member of the pack, Kate & Curran would welcome her in. And any problems/questions pack members may have regarding beastkin acceptance should be addressed to them. In person. Anyone else feel the same?
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: 4manda9 on January 27, 2012, 09:40:50 am
I've found the snippet on the website and printed it off as I can't really read it all at work!!
 ;D

Sounds like Raphael has alot of grovelling to do with all the other comments posted  >:(
Title: Gunmetal Magic - Andrea's book
Post by: lia on February 21, 2012, 02:00:07 pm
I looked for a topic on like this but couldn't find one (I'm kind of search inept on this forum, though, can never find what I'm looking for), sorry if there's something already started!

I just read the Chapter 1 snippet Ilona posted and loved it!  So excited for Andrea's book.  It was a great intro, a smooth way to introduce what Andrea does and where she works, that she's a shapeshifter and most people don't know, and she's got issues with a certain Raphael.  And we got a glimpse of her past in the beginning nightmare.  Can't wait for more!

Also, I heard (from stalking Ilona's twitter) that there won't be a love triangle, which is making me go  jumP ...I hate love triangles.
Title: Re: Gunmetal Magic - Andrea's book
Post by: Kitara on February 21, 2012, 08:52:44 pm
Hi, lia! This should probably go here Andrea Story Snippet Discussion (http://www.ilona-andrews.com/forum/index.php?topic=1042.0). Until a few weeks after the book is released it is usually confined to the snippet/spoiler section of the forum, so people who haven't read the book don't accidentally stumble on spoiler info.

Would it be possible for the Mods to merge this with the other thread?

(Also loved the first chapter, but no love triangle? I wouldn't mind a tiny one, just to kick at Raphael.)
Title: Re: Gunmetal Magic - Andrea's book
Post by: Argantel on February 22, 2012, 03:40:58 am
(Also loved the first chapter, but no love triangle? I wouldn't mind a tiny one, just to kick at Raphael.)

My thoughts exactly. Doesn't have to be a triangle that proceeds into the love stage, if it's just the courting stage then it's much fun. And in this case, well deserved.
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: MinnChica on February 22, 2012, 01:01:10 pm
I've merged these two topics. :)
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: lia on February 22, 2012, 01:03:48 pm
I've merged these two topics. :)

Thank you! Sorry for making more work for you - I figured since he stuff about Edge 4 was in the "Books" section, stuff about Andrea's book should be too, but it makes sense about the spoilers.

As for love triangles... I'm all up for one party trying to bait the other by showing off their newest boy/girl toy, but serious "which one do I pick?! I like them both! Let me string them along and see which one is left standing when this is over" love triangles drive me nuts.
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: Kitara on February 22, 2012, 01:35:31 pm
As for love triangles... I'm all up for one party trying to bait the other by showing off their newest boy/girl toy, but serious "which one do I pick?! I like them both! Let me string them along and see which one is left standing when this is over" love triangles drive me nuts.

I'll agree with that.  noDDing
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: Itsy-Cat on February 22, 2012, 07:24:17 pm
As for love triangles... I'm all up for one party trying to bait the other by showing off their newest boy/girl toy, but serious "which one do I pick?! I like them both! Let me string them along and see which one is left standing when this is over" love triangles drive me nuts.

I'll agree with that.  noDDing

I agree with that too. I hate it when a character claims they're in love with two people, but 'just can't choose between them', and therefore they seem to think it's okay to just string them both along or jump back and forth from one to the other. I just end up hating the character and thinking "If you're going to treat them like that, it's pretty obvious that you don't really love either of them."
Still, the more... I don't know...mild? love triangles, where characters are still figuring out how they feel, but they're not stringing several people along or hopping from one relationship to the next and then back to the first again, those can work out pretty well, if that makes sense?

Anyway, with Andrea's story, it might be interesting if there was a sort of mild interest/flirting sort of love triangle.  ???
We know Roman's interested in Andrea (from Magic Slays), but I don't think they've actually had a conversation yet, have they? (Not counting Roman's offer to model a fur hat) and I kind of want to see how they'll interact.

At the moment I still want Andrea and Raphael to eventually work things out though. (After Raphael's stopped being an idiot and apologised or done something to make up for it.)
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: lia on February 23, 2012, 12:09:44 pm
I could do "mild love triangle" - where it's not love yet, it's just figuring things out.  Nothing wrong with a bit of competition.  I think it's the indecisiveness on the part of the heroine (typically.  Can't think of a 1 guy 2 girls set-up) that irks me.

Also, release date has been moved up! July 31, 2012!  A whole month earlier than I expected!  ParTy
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: dsolo on March 30, 2012, 09:51:28 am
re: 3 day rule.  Isn't there a precedent for not joining the pack with Solomon Red?  He got a special dispensation, and had a financial arrangement with the pack.  I'm not sure if they can call her a Friend of the Pack, but there must be something Curran can do.  After all, he's the one who "allows" the others to be Alphas.  Barabas and Jezebel are not directly under Aunt B anymore, since there loyalty is transferred to Kate.  Also, Derek was directly under Jim, then Curran and outside the wolf pack hierarchy.  Andrea could be assigned to Kate's personal guard, and not be part of the bouda clan.  I'm betting that Derek will be leaving Cutting Edge to become wolf Alpha.  Maybe Jennifer will remain female Alpha until he mates.  Boy, pack politics are convoluted.
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: dsolo on March 30, 2012, 08:05:20 pm
Just went back and read all of the posts in this section, and there's a lot of anger (mostly well deserved) aimed at Raphael.   A couple of points to consider though, re: not checking up on her after Erra - she left town (remember, Kate couldn't find her or find out what happened to her).   Also, has Andrea been as forthcoming with Raphael about her past, as she has with Kate?  It's not just that she was tortured by her former pack, but also that she is considered an abomination by other shapeshifters.  Raphael looked past that, so he should get some points for that.  Not helping a beastkin, is not the same as not helping other shifters during an emergency.  For Andrea to not go was a slap in the face to Raphael.  She was deliberately choosing to follow an order from someone who considered him, and his family, non-human.  After all that he had done to win her over, and to make her feel accepted, that had to have been a big betrayal.  I understand how important the Order was to Andrea, but she spent a bit too much time in denial.  She took a long time to put on her big girl pants and call anyone, including Kate.  It's immature, but I think Raphael was trying to hurt Andrea as much as he was hurt.  The only way he could really do that was to throw her apology in her face, like she threw her choice into his.  The wolves and the boudas might not get along, but when push comes to shove, the Pack comes first.  Raphael is an alpha, and Aunt B was assuming that someday Andrea would be alpha.  Not an auspicious start when you don't put Pack first.

As for Ascenio, Andrea had him go out the opposite door from the bimbo, so that Raphael didn't have to punish him.  I hope we get to see a scene with Aunt B and Bimbo.
And for the record, I'm pretty sure that Raphael is not celibate anymore.  That was the whole point of bringing her, and putting his hand on her butt to push her in the door.  Keep in mind, celibacy is not natural for boudas, and Andrea has given Raphael no reason to wait for her.  That said,  I liked their couple dynamic, and can't wait to see how it plays out.  Come on July!
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: Kitara on March 30, 2012, 09:36:41 pm
The wolves and the boudas might not get along, but when push comes to shove, the Pack comes first.  Raphael is an alpha, and Aunt B was assuming that someday Andrea would be alpha.  Not an auspicious start when you don't put Pack first.

In some ways I think she did put pack first, what she considered her pack, The Order. I don't think Raphael was willing to understand that The Order was her pack, and she was given an order by her alpha. No one, even now, considers Andrea part of the Pack. And everyone quietly knows that some of the Pack would hate her guts and try to kill her for something she can't control. AND they have never gone out of their way to help her, as an entity. So she, in reality has no loyalty to them. To Raphael, yes, but not to the Pack. I wonder, if the situation had been reversed, if Knights were in trouble and Curran ordered Raphael not to help them, what would Raphael's response be?
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: dsolo on March 31, 2012, 12:23:49 am
Good point re: the Order is Andrea's pack.  The corollary with Raphael not helping the Order doesn't exactly work.  It's hard to think of a good example, but it would be similar to a light skinned black person passing as white and joining the KKK.  That's not really the best example, but Andrea is denying who she is, and she is part of an organization that is at best, suspicious of shapeshifters, and at worst, downright hostile to them.  The Pack doesn't trust others for a reason.  It's not paranoia, if they really are out to get you.  Granted, the whole Lyc-V thing is scary.  If you're infected, you are no longer fully human, and there's a possibility that you will go completely insane and kill your family.  Humanity has had to deal with a lot, since the shift.  I was disappointed in the Order though, because there are obviously magic users in their ranks, helping to protect people.  It would be easy to be either jealous or afraid of someone with abilities that you could never have.
Maybe a better example for Raphael would be if Curran forbade him to do something involving the boudas.  It seems like this book is going to have some personal growth on Andrea's part re: acceptance of who she is.  Obviously, not all boudas are like her family, even though they are crazy.  I got the impression from Kate's first experience with them, that part of that is exaggerated as a defense mechanism.  They are one of the smallest clans, so they have to make sure everyone feels like it's not worth it to mess with them.  As soon as Raphael realized Kate was bringing an injured bouda, he snapped into responsible Alpha role.  He's another one that needs to grow up. 
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: dsolo on April 19, 2012, 09:51:58 pm
Since I wrote my comment about Raphael, I have reread Magic Mourns, and Andrea did tell him what bouda meant to her.  Since I have been rereading all of the books, while anxiously waiting for snippets, I have a better handle on Raphael.  He is very spoiled, but he's also very hurt.  In Magic Slays, Kate tells him that he hasn't been with anyone else since she left and that he killed Tara when she checked to see if he was still a man and it escalated.  He was also avoiding the clan, and throwing himself into work.  This sounds like the first time Raphael has ever been in love, and been rejected.  He's not dealing well, and he most likely got involved with the bimbo after Andrea started working at Cutting Edge, and still didn't contact him.  Before that, he was still waiting for her to come back.  Neither of them handled it well, and she should have contacted him once she got off the pity pot.  He reacted in a childish manner, but if you look at it from the standpoint that everyone could have died if they hadn't stopped the Lighthouse Keepers, and she still didn't reach out to him, it makes more sense.  What's really sad is that he's letting his hurt feelings override his love for Andrea.  He knows her history and how damaged she is, but he's not seeing things from her point of view.  Someone made the point that The Order is Andrea's pack, and that's part of what makes her so vulnerable.  Everyone and everything she loves has turned against her (except Kate).

Also,  I think she's going to wind up having a special status like Barabas and Jezebel.

Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: Itsy-Cat on April 23, 2012, 03:52:23 pm
He's not dealing well, and he most likely got involved with the bimbo after Andrea started working at Cutting Edge, and still didn't contact him.  Before that, he was still waiting for her to come back.  Neither of them handled it well, and she should have contacted him once she got off the pity pot. 


That's a good point. I could understand why Raphael was upset when Andrea chose the Order over the shapeshifters, but I was really annoyed with him when (I think in the snippets somewhere?) he seemed to have no sympathy for her needing to hide away in her apartment for a while, after the Order kicked her out. I thought it made sense that she'd need time to hide away and lick her wounds etc, and Raphael should have known that, considering how much the Order meant to her.
But after that, when she rejoined the rest of the world and started working at Cutting Edge, I don't think there was any mention of her trying to contact him at all, until she had to as part of this investigation.
So I guess Raphael was wallowing in his own feelings of self pity etc, and then he saw that Andrea had apparently moved on and no longer cared about him. Maybe he couldn't stop thinking of Andrea, tried to make himself snap out of it and move on, like Andrea had, then met the attractive, although kind of stupid bimbo, and started dating her to try and force himself to move on?
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: dsolo on April 25, 2012, 09:12:55 pm
I'm rereading Magic Slays (yet again), and Andrea came to Cutting Edge about 2 weeks after she got back from Wolf Trap, Va.  At that time when she and Kate talk, Raphael is not seeing anyone, and he is not meeting his responsibilities as Alpha.  That's partly why Curran gives Ascenio to Kate.  Curran also comments that he understands what Raphael is going through.  I realize that they have to find the Doomsday Device, but Andrea still makes no move to contact Raphael, and she avoids Aunt B, which leads to the "nice little chat" while the office was attacked.  So,  Raphael is bound to hear from his mother that Andrea is back, working for Kate and still rejecting the bouda clan.   She doesn't have the Order as an excuse anymore, and she is still rejecting her shapeshifter side.  I think at that point, Raphael snapped and decided to find the anti-Andrea.  It also seems that he is still not ready to fulfill his responsibilities as the bouda Alpha, since Aunt B apparently doesn't care for his new girlfriend and Ascenio is still with Kate.  I kind of feel sorry for Raphael, because he had to have been holding out hope that Andrea would come to her senses and call him.  By the time she did call him, it was because of an investigation, so even though she offered an apology, he was probably so pissed off that he was not going to be reasonable.  He wanted to hurt her, but once she shifted, he seems to have felt bad about it.  I still have hopes for them.  We kind of went through this with Kate and Curran.  As for Roman,  I don't care if he does look like a hidalgo pirate, he's a volhv for an evil god (and his family is crazier than the boudas!).
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: kstrick on June 19, 2012, 11:15:11 pm
Agghhh, I can't wait to read this book!!

Sorry, had to break the tension. :)

So many thoughts- I just hope Andrea stays the strong female character that she is. It's ok for her accept her need for someone (most likely Raphael), but I don't want her going completely mushy all of a sudden and wimping out. I really don't want her to be a part of Clan Bouda at this point. She's just broken from the Order (which abandoned her) and she only now is finding footing on firm ground as to who she is, bouda, human, or both?

One of my favorite scenes of MSlays is when Andrea comes back and Kate accepts her whole-heartedly. She understood what Andrea had to go through with the Order and understood what it is to be a true friend (another reason why I love Kate!).

That's why I'm disappointed in Raphael- he was too impatient with Andrea. He just expected her to wake up one day with all of her hang ups about Boudas gone and to rejoice at being part of the Pack, just because he thought she should. And another thing that annoys me is that he is all angry at Andrea for not joining the Pack or choosing it over the Order, yet he's not fulfilling his duties to the Clan and he's behaving like a big baby... ???...he makes as much sense as a preteen girl (and I say this as having been one at one time). 
Title: Re: Andrea Story Snippet discussion
Post by: Meagbert0 on July 26, 2012, 03:33:45 pm
I just finished reading the latest snippet and I can't decide if I love or hate having the tease so close to the book coming out. Oh who am I kidding, I LOVE it! Roman! I cannot wait for more Roman and I am super intrigued by
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I think so but I'm not sure which is one of the great things about this series. Why can't I have a time machine so I can inhale every book at once!