“In every society, the definition of marriage has not ever to my knowledge included homosexuality. That’s not to pick on homosexuality. It’s not, you know, man on child, man on dog, or whatever the case may be. It is one thing.”
- Rick Santorum
I rarely get political on this blog, but I am going to.
“Gay” is not synonymous with pedophile. Homosexuality can’t be put into the same category as bestiality and pedophilia, because bestiality and pedophilia are predatory sexual practices, the victims of which can’t give their consent to participate in the sexual act. A child can’t consent to sex. An animal can’t consent to sex. The modern definition of homosexual relationship involves two consenting adults, who both agree to a sexual act. It is a voluntary agreement between two adults to pursue their happiness.
“…they’re [gay soldiers] in close quarters, they live with people, they obviously shower with people.”
-Rick Santorum, when discussing Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.
“Gay” is not a synonym for “subhuman.” As offensive as it is, I find the notion that gay soldiers can’t control themselves in the company of nude fellow soldiers even more offensive. The implication here is that gay people are sex crazed rapists.
Most of the rapes in armed forces are carried out by straight men. In fact, women in US Military are more likely to be raped by their fellow soldiers than to be killed by enemy fire. This happens because we don’t do a good enough job explaining to boys that forcing themselves on others is a terrible thing. This also happens because being a soldier means breaking the cardinal rule of our society – don’t kill. It is the most fundamental of all human laws, and once a human being is given permission to break it, for some people other laws become irrelevant.
Sex, love, consenting relationship is about making the other person happy and being happy with them. Only a miserable human being would stand in the way of that. Rick Santorum is that miserable human being and I hope the misery he bring to others comes back to him.
I think the silver lining here is that Santorum is highly unlikely to beat Obama, should he magically win the primary. (I’m serious about the magic here.) His electability amongst the general populace is near zero, given how hard he’s been courting the conservative vote. The problem with Santorum is really the problem of the Republican primary; you have to be conservative enough to bring out the hardcore voters, but moderate enough not to alienate everyone else for when the general election happens. This is not happening for any candidate this year, because conservatives have been largely revved up and stoked into a heated ball of fire by the media and Republicans over the last three years, and if you don’t curry their favor, they’ll burn you up.
As far as legalizing gay marriage, it’s yet one more hurdle we have to overcome as a civilized nation. If it isn’t one group we’re discriminating against, it’s another. And as time goes on, we slowly gain insight into our past mistakes, and try to correct them in the future. It’s a long process, and there are always bumps in the road, but we’re getting there. It’s only a matter of time before DOMA is struck down, as more and more states legalize same-sex marriage and afford couples the same rights and privileges as heterosexual couples.
Just this week Governor Chris Gregoire of Washington said that she’s introducing legislation in her state to legalize same-sex marriage.
“Gov. Chris Gregoire (D-WA) spoke out about her recent support for marriage equality this morning on MSNBC, reiterating that while the state “doesn’t have to tell any religion who they marry, but at the same time the state cannot be in the business of discriminating.”” (ThinkProgress.org)
blind hatred and intolerance is an ugly thing, no matter what form it presents itself in.
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Long ago I worked at a company where at a minimum 50 percent of the workforce was gay. I was pretty young at the time and maybe I didn’t have so many pre-concieved notions of what it meant to be gay. I’m so grateful for those days now. Not only did I make many friends, but I realized how hard it is to be outside “the norm” in America. When we went out to lunch or for a cocktail after work I saw firsthand how rude and cruel people were. No one in their right mind would choose such a lifestyle for themselves. They simply are gay, the same way I’m blue-eyed. That gene has been around probably since the beginning of time and you can’t make it go away because you don’t like it. I’ll step off my soapbox now.
No offense but at the beginning of time there was Adam and Eve. You as well as many others may not adhere to that but each to their own.
That argument only works if you are talking to someone who hasn’t read the Bible. I have. So did she:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFkeKKszXTw&feature=share
Yes, if you insist on a literal interpretation of the Bible then there was Adam and Eve, the only two people on Earth. Then their two sons, one of whom killed the other. Then Eve had a third son, Seth. Who did he marry and reproduce with, and when Cain went East of Eden and founded a city, was he the only one in it? The Bible says that he married, so who did he marry, had to be his sister or niece right? Also, if the only people on the face of the Earth are his immediate family, why place a mark on him? Who would not know him? There had to be other people or there was a whole lot of incest. Please let me know which.
a thousand times yes. thank you.
Thank you for your words. My (gay) uncle and his partner were in a loving relationship for 33 years until the death of one of them. They were kind, compasionate people, with steady jobs, and a committed relationship. They found eath other and their love in the 1950′s. I do not ever want to go back to witch hunt that was the 1950′s…for anyone.
Excellent post!
I am from Pennsylvania and can tell you that Santorum is a legitimate threat. I travel for work into more rural areas and the majority of people in these areas are republicans, religious conservatives and I have lost count of how many people have told me they will vote whichever way their pastor votes. Santorum could pull out a huge middle America vote because he is extreme right wing and he is non Mormon. Having listened to so much of the hate and fear talk coming out of these areas I think we have much to be frightened of. Most of those who were excessively vocal about same sex marriage believe that the Mormon religion is a cult so that could turn things more in Santorum’s favor.
Why anyone would be threatened by two individuals expressing love for each other is beyond me. I hope the silent majority who is opening to the idea of legalizing same sex marriage continues to grow and enable more states come into the fold.
I always wonder if the anti-gay faction thinks that by saying its wrong they can change a gay man into a straight man? Honestly, telling a gay man he can’t lover another man doesn’t mean that he will magically love me instead.
DO a google search on “santorum” and look at the first link that pops up. NSFW
It will warm your heart!!!
Glad you brought this up – I was going to if someone didn’t. My sister is in an artistic field which has about 50% gays, and she told me about this when the definition was first invented(?) – before I’d heard much at all about Santorum. I still have trouble not snorting or giggling when I hear his name.
: )
Another gem from Santorum “Diversity creates conflict. If we celebrate diversity, we create conflict,”
Yes. This!
Santorum was my state’s senator, and I was so glad to see him gone, I danced at his defeat (and I don’t dance, as a rule). So to see him crawl out of his ooze and slime to become a frontrunner in the primary sickens me.
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Very well said. It’s hard not to be nauseated and angered by his bigotry. It’s just too bad that his ignorance is not called out as inexcusable more often.
You said Ilona! I am sick of these sanctimonius sons of b’s who are intolerant of other people who are different from them. Imagine someone like him as President when the only person he really has no issues with is who he sees in the mirror? Gay people were born that way and there is absolutely nothing wrong with them. It seems some “religious” people sometimes forget “judge not lest ye be judged”.
I find the off the wall comments about gays in the military particularly uneducated and uncalled for. I’ve worked at the Defense Department for nearly 30 years (yes, I started as a 6 year old). Much of that time for the US Army. Quite simply, soldiers know when other soldiers are gay. It’s just that the vast majority of them don’t care – it doesn’t affect their world. Yeah, sure, like all of America – since the Armed Services are a cross section of America – there are the boneheads, but for most it’s not a matter up for discussion. They eat together, train together, and God help them die together. They are brothers and sisters with a bond most folks will never understand. The fact that Tom is gay or Joan is gay “don’t make no never mind.” Rick Santorum – a lawyer and politician who has never served in the military – has the right to express his opinion, a right fought for by some of the very gays he’s talking about, but it is opinion and not fact.
Thank you! Your comments help to articulate the anger I’ve felt every time I read one of his quotes. I really don’t understand how people can so blindly hate others for consensual decisions they and their of-age, non-animal partners make.
I have long thought that the resistance to allowing glbt people to serve has mainly been the worry that gay men would treat straight men just like they themselves have treated women. Also, the cover-up of rape against women who serve makes much more sense when you learn that there were already rapes of men being covered up–and this is straight-identifying alpha males raping soldiers who they identify as not fitting in. It is interesting to note that in various cultures, a man isn’t considered to be gay if he’s the aggressor. That label is reserved for the passive partner. http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2011/04/03/the-military-s-secret-shame.html
As a bisexual woman, Santorum’s stance on almost every issue (we don’t need food stamps because we have an obesity problem?) makes me sick and I am weary of his ridiculous comparisons with every kind of deviance possible–and he obviously thinks about this stuff a lot to come up with so many examples. I’ll wager he spends way more time thinking about deviant sex than I ever have. I’d like to remind Santorum of one thing–if he attends a gym, he’s probably showered with a gay or bisexual man–probably many.
“I have long thought that the resistance to allowing glbt people to serve has mainly been the worry that gay men would treat straight men just like they themselves have treated women. Also, the cover-up of rape against women who serve makes much more sense when you learn that there were already rapes of men being covered up–and this is straight-identifying alpha males raping soldiers who they identify as not fitting in. It is interesting to note that in various cultures, a man isn’t considered to be gay if he’s the aggressor. That label is reserved for the passive partner. ”
Thank you!
I’ve always believed that the most vociferous opponents of gay men serving are allowing a peek into their own deepest, darkest attitudes towards anyone weaker than they are. It’s telling that the terms these men use to label gay men as “women” are derogatory and intended to maintain their own superiority in the predator/prey hierarchy they cling to. They are used to being the top predators in our society; the possibility that someone bigger and/or stronger may view them as fair game absolutely terrifies them.
Unfortunately, he is from my state an even when he was running for political office here, he’s as much of a headcase. I wish he would just go away but he keeps getting louder and louder with his voice.
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I wish there was a “like” button…I wish there was a “super-like” button!
-For this post, I mean, not Santorum’s disgusting comments.
Loved your comment. If people want Rick to lead us, I am really scared.
You have my vote, Ilona!
Santorum’s stances on many social issues are jaw-dropping to me. Almost comedic if he wasn’t aiming to be the leader of our country.
Hey let’s not toss all conservative, christian republicans under the same bridge. That’s just as bad as others putting all gays under the same sparkly bridge (of course theirs is sparkly, it’s not bigotry, it’s FACT).
I can say I do not like any of the people running for the office of President. I don’t trust them, I don’t like them, I don’t like their policies, and I’m ready to go buy my own island and declare myself a dictatorship. Or perhaps a Monarchy placed their by the great Gawd Elmo.
Guillotine humor aside, there should be only one rule. Stay out of my bedroom/pants/brain and I will stay out of yours. Don’t ask me if what you do is OK and I won’t ask you if what I do is OK. To steal from Nike, Just Do It.
Agree w/ all of this. . . and I think I like the idea of your island. I’d like an island, too. Or maybe you’d let me visit yours.
I am with you, Ilona. I am hoping that others see what you are seeing. He is very slick, and lots of the religious conservatives like him a lot. It make me worry. Thanks for posting!
http://imgur.com/Q1nCX
This is a great graphic someone did that your post awesomely reminded me of.
I’m happy you wrote about this. Honestly, what’s sad is that he’s not even the worse of the lot.
Quotes from a post called: “Ladies & Gentlemen, I give you, the 2012 Republican Presidential Candidates”: http://tinyurl.com/7pwzhar
Excerpt from the post:
Michelle Bachmann: “Don’t misunderstand. I am not here bashing people who are homosexuals, who are lesbians, who are bisexual, who are transgender. We need to have profound compassion for people who are dealing with the very real issue of sexual dysfunction in their life and sexual identity disorders.” (2004)
Ron Paul: “The rate of AIDS infection is on the increase again. From the gay point of view, the reasons seem quite sensible. First, these men don’t really see a reason to live past their fifties. They are not married, they have no children, and their lives are centered on new sexual partners… because sex is the center of their lives, they want it to be as pleasurable as possible, which means unprotected sex. Third, they enjoy the attention & pity that comes with being sick.” (1995 in a newsletter)
You guys should join Tumblr–there’s a great blog there called http://reagan-was-a-horrible-president.tumblr.com/
It’s not really about Reagan, they’re mostly focused on the recent Republican candidates and current political issues.
I wish people would stop putting themselves on a pedestal of righteousness to gain votes and stop bashing gays.
People are hot-wired to fit in with the rest of society, so when they don’t, it is a tough call to ‘come out’ and be themselves. It is never about personal choice. A gay is wired differently, but they are still wonderful people.
Way back when, there was a friend of my daughters’. He was a very nice lad. No mom had a problem having him in their house. He was polite and very kind, but we all knew he was going to be gay. This was apparent from age seven.
I didn’t bat an eyelid when he and one of my kids and another girl decided to share an apartment in the city. I knew he would be a good companion and he really did like going clothes shopping with them. The big reveal came when he fessed up to the factoid that the Brendas and Michelles he was seeing were really Brians and Micheals. This wasn’t a shock. He is a wonderful person and has now found a life partner he wishes to marry. I can’t think of any reason why his committment to a life union should be any less important than a hetrosexual union.
I shall also expect to see him and his partner at my daughter’s wedding this year. I am looking forward to meeting S’s prospective husband. I have heard many good things about this guy and I wish them both all the best in their life ahead, including the ability to get married.
A person can’t choose their orientation. This is part of who they are. Gays have a much harder life than straights. Puting nasty titles on them is pure political leverage. It is so unfair.
How can a party that defines itself as Opposing big government intruding into business be so obsessed with controlling other peoples private behavior and forcing their choices on those who do not agree with them and aren’t doing them any harm.
When I become afraid that I will someday be forced to live under a theocracy I step back and remind myself that when they finally get the law passed that mandates prayer in school that will be when the bloodbath begins as they find out someone else will be writing that mandated prayer.
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I am sorry, but I was wondering if you could be so kind to show the particular line of scripture that states that I should go and enforce prayer on anyone let alone for it on someone is school. Their are any laws that have been made about it in this country it is stopping those who WANT to do it. Talk about intolerance.
It Seems to me That Republicans have forgotten why separation of Church And State. Legal definitions of marriage and laws governing are in place so that the government doesn’t have to waste time and money dealing with the rules on marriage made by individual religions and individual sects. What many people don’t seem to realize is that religious recognition of marriage and divorce is dependent on that religions laws not the state’s and vice versa. You can be legally married but still not married in the eyes of your religion. As for churches being forced to marry gay couples that is baloney. It is my understanding that priests have not only the right but the duty to refuse to the sacrament of marriage to any couple they do not feel can make what they define as proper union. In other words the law may allow two people of different religions to marry or a Fifty year old to marry a sixteen year old but, unlike a judge a priest can refuse to marry them.
As For The Sex thing, Conservatives need to get their perverted minds out of other peoples’ bedroom. I may know two people are a couple and in all likelihood have had sex. I may have interacted with their children who are proof positive that they have had sex but I prefer to remain in happy ignorance of the sex lives of friends, relatives, and casual acquaintances and I’ m sure they’re happy to be ignorant of mine.
One of the recent issues of Smithsonian Magazine has an excellent article on Roger Williams, the Puritan minister who’s writings were the basis for the doctrine of Separation of Church and State. He was a devout believer but would not toe the line of the theocratic government of colonial Boston. It’s an eye-opening article and I recommend it to anyone who’d like to understand the issue more thoroughly.
People who have never been challenged tend to be firmly entrenched in their prejudices. I don’t recall reading that Christ singled out gay people; he broke quite a few taboos, as I recall.
What gets me is how these evangelical Christians have somehow fooled themselves into thinking that the Republican Party represents their best interests. Seems to me that if you want affordable health care, jobs with retirement and benefits, and affordable education for yourself and your children and grandchildren, then you are rooting for the wrong party. These things reduce profit.
Being a Conservative seems to be unpopular, but please let me say that not all conservatives are the same. I honestly don’t care what other folks are doing in their bedroom, I truly believe that everyone has the right to fight for and defend their country and I firmly believe that Obama needs to lose! Unfortunately, if a man like Santorum is representing the Conservatives of the world, then we are in a very bad place. Just sayin!
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I’ve always liked what Pete Seeger wrote on his banjo:
“This machine surrounds hate and forces it to surrender.”
For me, that means that whatever I do for my work, or art, I can use it to surround hate and force it to surrender.
Rarely have I read something that completely captures how I feel about a politician. Every time I see him on TV or read his interviews I have this rabid dog like relex where all I can do is bark and shake all over and say things like “evil horrible man”!!!! My thanks to you…
Ilona, bravo for your post. Well said.
I think I will request that there be no other political posts until closer to the election, because I can feel the ranting and raving coming on. That being said, it is your blog, so you can post whatever you like, and of course I cannot help but post my own views.
I prefer not to use the polarizing controvertial issues (abortion, gay marriage,etc) that politicians use to garner support and divide the parties and deflect from that fact that they aren’t going anything worthwhile and instead focus more the the things that will have a greater impact in the big scheme of things (particularly when above mentioned issues are more under the control of state gov anyway).
There are really so many more relevant issues about why rick santorum is one of the worst canidates (warmonger, earmark king, big money, big goverment), and why none of the republicans or even obama are really going to fix the major problems in america. He can believe whatever he wants, and he can say what he wants: that is being american, I don’t want to supress his views, I just don’t want them forced on me. I’m a pessimist about politics, I wish john mccain had won 3 years ago and I wouldn’t have to be so depressed about ever having a moderate in the white house.
You’re right, it is my blog, and if I find something personally offensive, I will blog about it. I’m sorry if that upsets you, but that’s why the blog page offers summary of the posts – to make them skippable.
Yea I should have chosen to skip it. I agree with Ilonas’s original post that’s why I decided to read it but I should have stopped there.
Well I was going to rant and rave but now I just feel silly. O_o
Thanks for posting this up because this makes people more aware of whats going on.
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Now Santorum’s saying that wanting every child to have a shot at going to college is elitist snobbery.
I guess I’m an elitist snob too, then.
He then talked about how he would help any child of his that wanted to be an auto mechanic–obviously not aware that cars have become so complex now that you can’t just become a mechanic without education anymore.
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QUOTE***“I was so outraged at the President of the United States standing up and saying ‘Every child in America should go to college.’ Well, who are you? Who are you to say that ‘every child in America go’? I mean, the hubris of this president to think that he knows what’s best for you. I have seven kids. Maybe they’ll all go to college. But if one of my kids wants to go and be an auto mechanic, good for him. That’s a good paying job. Use your hands, use your mind.
This is the kind of snobbery that we see from those who think they know how to run our lives.
Rise up America. Defend your own freedoms. And overthrow these folks who think they know how to orchestrate every aspect of your life.”**End Quote
WHAT A HYPOCRITE!!!
Isnt that what Santorum wants gov’t to do with my body, my partner choice, who gets to serve their country…..Only HE wants to be the one to dictate those choices cause his MORALS are right according to him???
Cheers!
I have 2 moms. Thank you for this post, I am 100% with you. =D
Woohoo!!!! An excellent post.
Thanks for the post! I don’t care if you get political because I agree completely. There are two things that bother me the most about the gay marriage issue. 1) Why do conservatives care if gays are allowed to marry legally? The only thing that it might possibly do is encourage their closeted friends or kids to get the hell away from them and go live a happy life out of the closet. But that will happen regardless of the laws, there are enough people and places where gays are treated for what they are – people, like anyone else – that if they are going to break the chains, they will. 2) Using issues like gay marriage or gays in the military is just a way for the conservative right to deflect from real issues that affect everyone like financial regulations, bailouts, etc. that have completely screwed the U.S. economy.
Thanks for this post!
I totally agree with Ilona and that is not because I’m a bisexual and living for more then 14 years (from that 7 years married) with a lovely female and some cats.
But it is a good thing to think and talk about it.
It is a gift that we can live in a free democratic country. That you can say what you would like and can have the life how you would like. But we have to remember that we have to consider the feelings of other people and other living creatures.
And that is the point some of us forget sometimes because of less education, religion, because we can not handle a situation or just we want to get something.
Believing that said I wish that consideration with each other would be a part of the political campagnes every where around the world. Otherwise we can get a government which can be and act so harmfull, sad and dumb towards everyone living on this earth.
I hope that I’m not offensing anyone here. That is not what I want.
I personally liked the “Don’t ask, Don’t tell” rule. It’s none of anyones damn business about someone elses sex preferences, straight or gay. As to the same sex marriage saga, most of my gay friends just want the same rights as a married couple they don’t care if it’s called “marriage” or “civil-union” or whatever. It just needs to be legal and binding. People that oppose “gay marriage” usually only have a problem with using the word “marriage” for a gay couple.
The problem with DADT was not that it kept people’s sexuality under wraps, but that when a soldier was discovered to be homosexual he/she would then be discharged from the military. It was an unfair practice that led to discharging many useful and well-trained personnel simply because of their sexual preferences, which amounted to discrimination.
So far as using the word “marriage,” (vs. civil union) I would agree that there are those who don’t care about the particular wording and care more about the rights. But there are also those who see the sanctification of the word “marriage” in conjunction with the refusal to use it for same-sex couples as an insult and an implication that the same-sex couple is not as worthy of the word. I’m not going to quibble over words, but I’m just saying that there are those who feel that way.
You should check out Governor Gregoire of Washington’s interviews where she talks about how the expansion of civil-union privileges led her down the path to proposing legislation in Washington state to legalize same-sex marriage.
The problem with DADT ( in my experience as a soldier and a sailor) was that it was not really equal. A straight soldier or sailor could bring his or her opposite sex partner to the ship or on post or whatever, while a gay or lesbian service member had to keep their orientation and or activities on “the down low.” It was an unfortunate double standard, and I for one am proud that it was repealed.
Im also happy it was repealed. The main reason im completely behind same sex marrages is because i think that gay or lesbian service members in long term union relationships should have the same rights as straight married service members. If a gay spouse dies in the combat zone under the current definition he or she wasnt married at all so thier partner isnt entitled to anything even if they have been together for 10+ years.
My husband and i have talked about this at length, hes
currently in Afghanastan on deployment. We are both of the opinion that if someone is willing to get shot at for thier country, thier spouse should be completely entitled to thier sgli no matter if they are male or female.
I’m a Republican, a Christian, and I’m Mormon. And I’m not voting for this guy. I think a lot of christians forget the basics. Like treat others how you want to be treated, don’t judge others (you don’t have that right), we are all God’s children and he loves us. I have gay friends. I don’t treat them any differently then I do my straight friends. I don’t have the right to judge others in what they do. We all have the right to make our own choices. Who am I to tell them how to live or what they can do with their lives? I don’t feel that God loves me any more or less then any gay person. I get judged a lot for being a Mormon. I went to a bar with my friends and had a guy (yes a huge guy, I’m only 5’2″) get in my face and tell me that I thought I was better then everybody else because I wouldn’t have a beer. I don’t drink. Everyone should be able to live how they want and make their own choices.
Thank you Ilona!!
One more little tidbit about Mr. Santorum. He’s against contraception and sex among folks not married (of course marriage can only occur between a man and a women, by his view of things.)
http://www.grist.org/election-2012/2012-01-06-rick-santorum-ban-contraception-birth-control
If your beliefs exclude or condemn any one group of people, regardless of personal circumstance, then they are no longer values, they are prejudices.
WOW, some strong powerful statements on this blog.
I found myself cheering you all on. We are
individuals and can live our lives as we please.
We should not hurt others or push our beliefs own down their throats!! Be happy and live your life to the full, you only get one.
Let me start by saying I hate politics, though it is necessary. It hurts my heart to read so many of the comments made here. I have read most of the comments made here. Again I should know better I hate politics.
To Quote Jeni comment 44.
“If your beliefs exclude or condemn any one group of people, regardless of personal circumstance, then they are no longer values, they are prejudices.”
Would this not also apply to the treatment so many here have written about Christians/conservatives/republicans and so on. As to the particular candidate everyone is talking about here I know nothing. Politics depress me. There will not be a candidate I ever fully agree with or support everything they say. It just wont happen.
As to some of the other comments. I am republican. I am what many call conservative, I am a Christian, and I am PROUD of that. Many here would not like me for those titles alone. I expect it, and yet I remain. That’s okay. I will not argue with people here, though I feel the need to observe that like many things, many think they know and understand what it means to be some of said titles above. However, they suffer from a huge lack of knowledge and form opinions based off assumptions and stereotypes.
I have my own beliefs but I will not shove them down anyone’s throat, I don’t need or want to. Do I disagree with many things said here? Sure. What I find hardest about reading so many of these comments is that all of you have helped to make clear that I too am persecuted for what I believe is the right way to live, think, love and worship.
Hate is man-made and we are all guilty in some form or another. None are righteous no not one, that includes me.
Jew
Hindu
Black
White
Christian
Atheist
Homosexual
Straight
and every kind of “other” possible…we’re all just people.
God loves them all for they are all his whether they or you believe it or not. That is what I believe and through his example I will try to LOVE others too. Not tear them down.
Have a blessed day!
I would like to amend the part of my statement that “hate is man-made”, that was inaccurate though we do excel at keeping it alive in it’s worst form.
Ermmmm….I don’t think I mentioned any particular group. I meant anyone.
Fuethermore, if you are tired of the negative reaction you get with the labels you listed, stop labeling yourself. Just a suggestion.
Ermmmm….I don’t think I mentioned any particular group. I meant anyone.
Fur21thermore, if you are tired of the negative reaction you get with the labels you listed, stop labeling yourself. Just a suggestion.
Woops…my phone and I had a failure to communicate. O_o
Ermmmm….I don’t think I mentioned any particular group. I meant anyone.
Furthermore, if you are tired of the negative reaction you get with the labels you listed, stop labeling yourself. Just a suggestion.
KBM,
First let me say I’m Canadian so I’m observing the current political activity rather than participating – we have our own wackos to deal with up here and they come from both ends of the political spectrum!
I think you make a good point, however. Outside of the minority group of people who subscribe to Mr. Santorum’s beliefs, there are thousands of Christian conservative republicans who are willing to look after their own lives without interfering in others.
I think the problem is that the radicals – of which I consider Santorum one – are so vocal and so well-funded that they block our view of the reasonable people who also identify with those labels.
It’s a knee-jerk reaction to our horror at the offensiveness of some of his comments that leads to tarring all christian conservative republicans with the same brush.
It’s something I need to remember when I’m dealing with our brand of conservative radicals, so thank you for the reminder.
Have a great day! (closest I can get as an agnostic – but thanks for the blessing anyway!
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Giggle…snort…it’s what I get for being a smart ass…XD
Sick as it is. I feel the need to share a story. Regarding bestiality and active consent.
So reader be warned:
When I was an impressionable young nurse (I know I know hard to imagine) I was talking with a retired army sergeant. She was my charge nurse at the time. She told me a story about a female officer stationed in germany who was brought into the hospital because her male german shepherd was errr stuck inside her. Apparently this was a somewhat long standing arrangement and the first time this particular problem had occurred. Although obviously news to her co-workers and the base hospital staff.
There had been speculation of lesbian activity by certain of her co-workers in the past but as it turned out… Lets just say she wasn’t a humanist first and foremost and leave it at that.
Regardless the situation was discovered when she didn’t show up for work and someone was sent to check on her.
While I’m all for tolerance and do support ‘not judging unless you want to be judged.’
As a male member of an earth species, I have a hard time believing this dog was completely un-consenting in this torrid, and as it was relayed to me, ongoing affair.
Call me a chauvinist, a speciest, or just plain sick for contemplate the dog’s side in the matter but I stand by my assertion. That said an adult is an adult and a child is a child whatever the species. But by the same token, I’m pretty sure a male mammal is a male mammal. Not to say that women can’t abuse men. Its just that even adolescent human children tend to need lots of therapy before they realize they were abused by their female School Teacher. Not always but I’d say at least 50/50 from what I’ve seen on the news.
TDK
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